Are we ready for 2030?

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Are we ready for 2030?

Post by ozone456 » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:49 pm

Non Tiguan specific topic but some thoughts/musings on the matter of 2030 and may impact thoughts on next purchase.
Harry Metcalf talks about the impact on classic cars and whether the ban targets are achievable


Shmee150 and his Porsche Taycan do their first long trip from London to Birmingham, a little test of the infrastructure - note where Tim (Shmee150) lives in London he not able overnight charge his car.


ID 3 is here and soon the ID 4 (is this the Electric Tiguan ?) will be..
Is there an charging infrastructure to support them?

And then there’s internal combustion engine apparent lifeline .. Synthetic Fuels.
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Re: Are we ready for 2030?

Post by scifipleb » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:28 am

Massively underwhelmed by the options out there for electric at the moment - I'm looking at you VW ID vehicles - are you serious with that interior?

Can't see switching next time around but the time after that possibly, yes, if I'm still alive.
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Re: Are we ready for 2030?

Post by Hartside » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:50 am

We have a long way to go not only getting a charging network set up but the power industry infrastructure behind it to cope with the additional demand.

Cold winters currently see the grid reaching peak capacity as it is.
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Re: Are we ready for 2030?

Post by Essjay » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:01 am

This Government (and previous ones) have all spoken up with good intentions of saving the environment by banning internal combustion vehicles with absolutely no thought into the costs and logistics involved. Charging points is only the tip of the iceberg, the whole public transport network is outdated and in need of massive investment to take advantage of the technology needed.
They seem to think that they will have everything in place with a wave of their ‘magic wand’ overnight..........and we all know this ‘ain’t gonna happen!!

How many people are there who rely on their vehicles and would love to go full electric, but have no off-road parking, hence no way to charge an electric vehicle. Surely the way to go in the mean time is to produce not only ‘full electric’ and plug-in hybrid vehicles, but also more ‘mild hybrids’ that don’t need to be plugged in.
There are a few manufacturers producing ‘mild hybrids’ such as Honda and Toyota, but others such as VW seem to have no intention of going ’mild’ and no doubt that will lose them a lot of customers (myself included).

I personally think we’ll be seeing some form of internal combustion propelled vehicles way past the proposed 2030 date, and with the speed at which alternative fuels are being developed, they may even be more environmentally friendly than producing the copious amounts of electricity for charging electric vehicles.....................here’s hoping for a miracle in the next 10 years, although with my advancing years, if I’m still driving in 10 years time it may well be an electric vehicle......of the mobility type😏

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Re: Are we ready for 2030?

Post by Tammma » Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:18 pm

Norway's manage to tip the scales towards EV...but with some pretty massive subsidies.

Quite amazing for such an oil producing country.

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Re: Are we ready for 2030?

Post by Old Salt » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:07 am

I worked as an operator at a large oil fired power station. The output from the station was 2760MW (4x690MW), to replace that output it would need 460 wind turbines. The power station has been demolished along with a further 16, leaving only 4 coal fired stations remaining. The remaining 4 will be demolished by 2025. What has been built to replace this large amount of generation? What happens on a windless day with overcast skies? What happens if following Brexit, industry builds up and there is a lack of energy?
The process of building new power plant of any type takes years, especially when the NIMBY factor is thrown into the mix. Imagine how long it will take to build a nuclear power station, it will be years!!
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Re: Are we ready for 2030?

Post by TIGeRLine » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:18 pm

No need to worry, it’s not going to happen.
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Re: Are we ready for 2030?

Post by ozone456 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:33 pm

Hartside wrote:
Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:50 am
We have a long way to go not only getting a charging network set up but the power industry infrastructure behind it to cope with the additional demand.

Cold winters currently see the grid reaching peak capacity as it is.
hmm that's a point.. with Brexit 2021 will we still be able to tap France, Netherlands and Ireland for some cheap electricity via the interconnects?
Suspect it will be needed to support the initiative.
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Re: Are we ready for 2030?

Post by ozone456 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:19 am

Meanwhile on the path down to 2030 readiness
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/indu ... s-charging
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Re: Are we ready for 2030?

Post by Hartside » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:26 pm

Excellent in principle, but we have a council that no longer can afford to clean or maintain footpaths, fix roads and various other basic functions. I wonder where the money would come from to install something like this and again they will need power delivered to them. We’re looking at huge infrastructure investment at a time where money is hard to come by. We also have a government making promises on the environment that know it will not be up to them to fulfil them.
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